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7 Responses to “voiced velar fricatives (and smiles)”
as far as I can tell it’s an implosive velar nasal followed by a nasalized low, back vowel. Given that none of her later sounds are implosives (but they’re all velar) I’d guess this is her trying to figure out the timing of voiced sounds (it’s hard work syncing up closure and voicing onset). I’m going to keep collecting recordings of these as she gets older to see if I can really detect any kind of consistent pattern.
OK, so the most AWESOME part is where you reflexively reinforce and socialize her into English phonology and discourse practices. Have you read Ochs and Schieffelin on language socialization? If not, I will send.
yeah, Erika, that’s crazy isn’t it? I was thinking “what an interesting sound she’s making.” but couldn’t stop myself saying “ga ga ga”. We spend kind of a lot of time with me going “ba ba ba” (or whatever) and noting her reaction/interest. Probably I was just falling into our usual pattern.
So I was just going to comment on how it’s such a shame the two of you don’t enjoy parenting…… But I feel like I need to embelish my comments a bit and talk about the sounds Nora was making (but I HATED my linguistics class back in undergrad - sorry - and don’t remember a darn thing from it other than the terrible mean prof!). So anywho - yeah Nora - you’re getting SO big!!!
So…. Umm…. She’s really very cute and I like the bouncy seat (way cooler than all of the really “baby” patterned ones) - but I know very little (nothing…) about linguistics to comment further. I just know that Maggie says some words the same way Jonah did when he was a baby - words that he now says “properly” - so it’s interesting to me that she does that.
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I heart your IDS. (Also, they sound more like trills!)
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pm
yeah, I agree they’re trill-like. I loaded the audio in praat but there’s a lot of noise.
February 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pm
This first sound is really interesting.
The sound is here: http://umich.edu/~clunis/nora/nga.aiff
as far as I can tell it’s an implosive velar nasal followed by a nasalized low, back vowel. Given that none of her later sounds are implosives (but they’re all velar) I’d guess this is her trying to figure out the timing of voiced sounds (it’s hard work syncing up closure and voicing onset). I’m going to keep collecting recordings of these as she gets older to see if I can really detect any kind of consistent pattern.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 am
OK, so the most AWESOME part is where you reflexively reinforce and socialize her into English phonology and discourse practices. Have you read Ochs and Schieffelin on language socialization? If not, I will send.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 am
yeah, Erika, that’s crazy isn’t it? I was thinking “what an interesting sound she’s making.” but couldn’t stop myself saying “ga ga ga”. We spend kind of a lot of time with me going “ba ba ba” (or whatever) and noting her reaction/interest. Probably I was just falling into our usual pattern.
I haven’t read Ochs and Schieffelin, no.
February 4th, 2008 at 9:35 am
So I was just going to comment on how it’s such a shame the two of you don’t enjoy parenting…… But I feel like I need to embelish my comments a bit and talk about the sounds Nora was making (but I HATED my linguistics class back in undergrad - sorry - and don’t remember a darn thing from it other than the terrible mean prof!). So anywho - yeah Nora - you’re getting SO big!!!
February 5th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
So…. Umm…. She’s really very cute and I like the bouncy seat (way cooler than all of the really “baby” patterned ones) - but I know very little (nothing…) about linguistics to comment further. I just know that Maggie says some words the same way Jonah did when he was a baby - words that he now says “properly” - so it’s interesting to me that she does that.